After a somewhat successful opening week of the toy train streetcar . . . Kansas City transit cheerleaders are already claiming victory and touting expansion.
To wit . . .
CHECK KANSAS CITY STREETCAR CONSULTANTS AND ACOLYTES ARGUING FOR AN ADDITION TO THEIR TOY TRAIN STARTING WITH A NEW CAR AND THEN AN EXPANSION LINE!!!
Here's the word that seems a bit premature for only a couple of weeks out . . .
"Average daily ridership was estimated at 2,700 and every subsequent day has surpassed that. Clearly the decision to not charge a fare was a good one, even though crowded vehicles have slowed operations and required occasional use of the starter line’s only spare vehicle. There are already discussions about acquiring a fifth vehicle, since lead times are long. Lots of passengers are asking when service can be extended to the Plaza, even though a multi-line expansion plan was defeated in August 2014."
Sadly, all of this talk is carried out in a vacuum where critical voices have been silenced or ignored . . . And so streetcar advocates feel very little pressure to submit to the will of the voting public that has consistently said no . . . Except for the one election that was totally rigged.
You decide . . .
Who needs critical voices when you've got 350 votes?
ReplyDeleteThe key word here is free. Forgetting the fact that we're all paying for it indirectly, run the MAX bus for free and see what happens to ridership numbers.
ReplyDeleteI rode it both days this weekend and they were packed, lots of people on them.
ReplyDeleteWho they fooling? The are about to double the bus rates! Talk about having a canabalistic feast downtown. They 'd be screwed especially the next Mayor. Sucker!
ReplyDeleteWhy a fifth car? Because one knows these thing break down in the heat. If they cannot keep four runnining in this weather, a little heat and folks had to walk. We need another car, it was super, the crowds loved it, no, they bust down in the heat when packed, so it will doom to fail. In your face big time .
ReplyDeleteI live 35 miles east of downtown and none if its nuisances or baboon-like residents bother me in the least. Just sharing something that has worked well in case anyone else wants to try it.
ReplyDeleteWe already have the Max bus going to the Plaza and beyond. Why do we need the streetcar to do what the bus already does well?
ReplyDeleteOf course the coons will vote for it. Whitey will be paying for it and they ride free. Peckerwoods don't vote in city elections.
ReplyDeleteDon't interfere while the Downtown streetcar reich is making mistakes.
ReplyDeleteIf it went to the Plaza, forget about ever driving or parking on Main Street. More white parking lines and getting stuck behind a slow moving streetcar while driving.
ReplyDeleteStaubio and Dave said it's full! That's okay with me.
ReplyDeleteBut those numbers are a bit low, I but there were millions of people riding the car.
Just ask Visit CK!
Averages are wonderful things:
ReplyDeleteIf you have 100 people the first day, and two the second, you've averaged 51 people a day!
Time to spend more money expanding your business!
These folks are desperate to cash in while all the excitement and hype bring people in for their one-time ride on the tram coupled with their puzzled and unsuccessful search for what all the excitement is about.
Take an objective look at all this in about six months.
Then do the math.
How's Mike's new taxpayer-subsidized hotel coming?
When is the FBI going to investigate all the property tax and assessment fraud going on in the Downtown TDD area and Crossroads.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget River Market
ReplyDeleteAn expansion to the Plaza area seems inevitable.
ReplyDeleteThere's one way to definitively determine whether or not folks truly believe the streetcar was worth the cost; hold a citywide vote next August for extension to UMKC via the Plaza.
ReplyDeleteThere is going be no vote Stalder.
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ReplyDeleteCome on Bryan your not that gullible are you?
ReplyDeleteA streetcar extension wow how original.
ReplyDeleteLyin' Sly James will figure out a way to bulldoze an extension over the public without their consent.
ReplyDeleteThat's his specialty.
Yes, he is.
ReplyDeleteIf the city would saddle a business corridor with sales taxes and special assessments for the benefit of tourists, Plaza shoppers, and UMKC students, it would suggest that they don't have the confidence that the tax payers of Kansas City love the streetcar as much as they are claiming. Citywide vote or gtfo.
ReplyDeleteone thing people are concerned about is security. it would seem, however, that if the city would pledge to always have a police officer on every streetcar forever, that could reassure folks. morever, the streetcar officer role could be cast as a sort of neighborhood policing and actually improve the sense of urban safety. that's just a theory. is anyone aware of experiences in other cities?
ReplyDeleteJust think of all the affordable housing developers can build along a Main St. extension.
ReplyDeleteHow can you lose?
LOL 8:04
ReplyDeleteI have been voting long before you were an itch in you daddy's pants. There are better ways. Get through six months of service and see how it runs.strike while the irons hot? This ain't that kind of movie Bruv. This is no cliche. But real life.
ReplyDeleteBut Matt Staubs Loft value is going up! Skyrocketing to epic proportions!
ReplyDeletethe Northland says: These people need a special tax to pay for their old broken sewers and water mains instead having the rest of the city pay for their water bills.
ReplyDeleteDowntown needs a CID tax for P&L District maybe that could extend to the Plaza. Since they want to waste money.
ReplyDeleteHey Calvin, how can you shovel some more money my way on this? I have a powerful hunger for more cash.
ReplyDeleteDowntown is the home of freeloaders.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the Northland needs a special tax to pay for its sewer upgrades all throughout the inner 1st district, it's new sidewalks no one walks on in neighborhoods developed without sidewalks in the first place, or to pay for the $40 million just spent on sewers in Twin Creeks where no one lives, or the hundreds of millions spent to add overpasses along 169, or uneccessary street widenings in low-density areas with little vehicle traffic.
ReplyDeleteNorthland = leeches and welfare queens.
How many homes are going to be built in Twin Creeks. That $40 million is investment that will be paid back many times. The new sidewalks probably were paid for by PIAC. Widening roads before additional development is just smart planning. Pay up downtown. You should have been maintaining your sewers.
ReplyDeleteDowntown just wants the rest of the city to fall apart while they expect not to pay taxes for anything. Free toy train, rigged property assessments.
ReplyDelete6:18 is right, it's free and therefore people will ride to probably just be riding it. Make all the buses free for say the month of June and see what kind of numbers you see on them. Make Legoland free for a weekend and see what a nightmare that creates. How about a whole month of free for the Zoo, I am sure that will create record attendence and killings.
ReplyDeleteI bet if you had to show you are a resident of Kansas City for the free ride on the train which is only fair since they are the ones paying for it, you would see the total rider counts take a huge drop.
Talks of expansion this early are ludicrous to say the least.
Ah, the unrelenting drumbeat of Tony and the transit planners.
ReplyDeleteIt's kind of soothing, don't you think?
Lets talk about how they count riders: if you get on at Union Station and ride to the River Market, get off, have a drink and then ride back to Union Station, that's FOUR riders? Two on and two off. So 2700 riders a day could only be around 600. They need to measure how many people is it bringing to downtown and what are they buying? If the same person gets on and off three times, that's 6 riders. This is nothing more than a free amusement park ride!
ReplyDeleteNumbers of users that are self-reported by an entity whose survival depends on high totals are suspect.
ReplyDeleteWhat you can expect is more of the kinds of lies that are so typical of Portland planners. Easy to check, but since few will bother, they get away with it.
ReplyDeleteThe only way we're exceeding Portland is in the number lies and constant bullshit being forced onto the public.
i HAVE SEEN 30 YEAR DRUNKS I work there so not sure what they mean by success. soon the bums will be on there. Stay later and there have been at midnight bums.
ReplyDeleteGet ready for it....!
ReplyDeleteAt the rate things are going the chance of a streetcar extension to UMKC is about as good as citizens hanging corrupt politico's upside down by the feet on overhead wires downtown for public jeering and amusement.
ReplyDeleteNeither is going to happen.
Bring back the days of yay and nay....
ReplyDeleteSpending $250 million on a amusement ride extension can only be called stupid.
ReplyDeleteI rode on it two times yesterday afternoon. First time there were some people on it, but you sure couldn't call it over crowded. Second time the trolley was almost emplty.
ReplyDeleteLike the bus, I noticed that when given the choice, niggers will most often sit at the back of the bus. Hm, I wonder why that is? Maybe it's because it's a genetic trait of theirs, to want to sit at the back of the bus?
ReplyDeleteSee! This is why we shouldn't have given in to Rosa Parks.
Blacks are naturally in the back! Now we've got Jew laws forcing us to sit in the back if a nigger's there first. Sometimes a white person doesn't always have their hunting knife and nap repellant on them. IT'S DISCRIMINATION!
I say that if niggers WANT to go to the back by virtue of their monkey genetics, we should force them to go to the back. It's in their genes, people! Did none of you read the latest Phrenology textbooks?
I swear, the education in this country just gets Jewier and Jewier... But I'm getting off topic. My point is, a lot of liberals want to point out the Jim Crow laws as wrong because niggers were put in bad positions.
Yet here we are, post-Jim Crow, and what do you see? Separate barbershops. Separate basketball arenas. Separate 'restaurants'. It's in nigger nature for them to form their own little cities and keep away from civilized society! I don't see why we conservatives should be chastised for trying to enforce the natural order.
Can not wait for the streetcar folks add the daily ridership numbers to their webpage.
ReplyDelete"Lots of passengers are asking when service can be extended to the Plaza... ."
ReplyDeleteLots = Mensa boy, trolley boy, and Staubio.
why cant we all admit that the fuckin tram is dope,and the ones on here complaining about it ,saying they'll never ride it ,have already rode it with wife and kids and plan on doing it every chance they get..quit lying,you posers!
ReplyDeletePeople are afraid of change.
ReplyDeleteObama is a prime example
DeleteThis change for the better it going back the 19th century. Maybe we should mandate horses for downtown also.
ReplyDeleteLOL!! Roflmao!
ReplyDeleteI'm going to toss a salad...
ReplyDeleteThe real fact of the streetcar hype is that people only talk about "riding on it".
ReplyDeleteNot that they're actually going somewhere.
Or that they're on their way to buy something downtown.
They're "riding on the streetcar".
Just like they're going to have fund on a ride at Worlds of Fun.
The crowds of "riders" are quickly dissipating.
Folks who are traveling for some purpose are getting there in other ways.
All aboard!
The Streetcar is basing their counts of ridership on how many dumb white people have posted selfies on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter of themselves riding the streetcar.
ReplyDelete"Downtown just wants the rest of the city to fall apart while they expect not to pay taxes for anything. Free toy train, rigged property assessments"
ReplyDeleteThere it is folks. See it, study it, think about it.
FTW!
ReplyDeleteThey count the people as they pass through the doors getting on and off. So the count number is double the actual amount of people who were on it. Each time the same person gets on and off they are counted. Phony numbers. Make people pay and then you can get a real count.
ReplyDeleteIncorrect. Counts assume everyone who gets on, gets off. It's pretty simple math, but I guess they didn't offer that at Winnetonka High.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, billion dollar road boondoggles all over Clay county carry 100 cars per day, and the Tiny's Kiddie Chorus circle-jerks themselves into a frothy rage of suburban angst and manufactured outrage, while Real Kansas City doesn't know your posse of 6 internet experts exists.
The Toy Train has more riders in a week than this blog gets readers in a year.
See you at the extension ribbon cutting, you sniveling man-children. Enjoy the impotent howling of the left-behind class.
Wait. If I get left behind by this miracle of non-revenue generating boutique transport, I can basically walk to catch up.
DeleteAlso, work on that vicious hatred of dissent. Sheesh, no wonder you have to rig elections. Maybe change that coffee at City Hall.
^^^^^^Bringing back canals has a better chance than an extension of the streetcar amusement park ride, trolley boy unless you and Mensa boy's 50 friends can pull off another rigged vote.
ReplyDeleteHear that " left nut " swinging in the wind? I didn't either...
ReplyDeleteI like Peking Duck. How about you?
ReplyDeleteI can BBQ a duck.... Where my hoisin sauce?
ReplyDeleteMao anyone?
ReplyDeleteI think this deal is going to be a great thing for the city!
ReplyDeleteI place a Daisy in your tank...or are you shooting blanks? Too many history books ....
ReplyDeleteMain St extension is a must!
ReplyDeleteThe out-of-towners are riding in droves! The tourists are here!
ReplyDelete1:52- okay, sure thing, right after this summer's ribbon cutting at the single-terminal, er, uh, oh yeah.
ReplyDeleteTooT! TooT! TAD OVER TWO MILES! TRAFFIC TIE-UPS! TURTLE TRUDGING! TOUTED AS FREE! TOY TRAIN THINGY! ALL ABOARD...TAKE THE TEN MILE EXPANSION TO THE NEXT STOP...DEEEEEEEtroit!!!!!!
Who in the world ever came up with the "free" concept here? This has to generate some revenue to offset the operational costs of the train.
ReplyDeleteThe City Counsel does not have the ability to manage the City's business in a financially responsible way.
Alrighty then... Quit fucking with me, my mail and my kid.
ReplyDeleteThe train to nowhere brought to you by the voters...........ummmmmm what voters?
ReplyDeleteVoters are finally discovering that being protected from the gross fragility in Sly's financial system is a necessity rather than an option.
ReplyDeleteOh, 1:52, Real Kansas City knows the priorities of the NIPPIN' & NAPPIN' clique perched high at 12th & Oak. "Our Divided City" exposed how DRUNK on spending and ASLEEP at the wheel KC has been. Eco-devo gets the lionshare, while rotting houses, crumbling roads/bridges, water/sewer/flood troubles, school accreditation and much more need attention. What "first class" city has their mayor on teevee to urge public school enrollment?
ReplyDeleteDon't be shy, speak your mind...I dare you!
ReplyDeleteWhy not have a double decker toy train wit a bar an DJ on the second level? Keep it free and ridership will be YOOGE!
ReplyDeleteThe Club Car is coming. Just squeezing duckets to pay for it. Rob Peter fuck Paul...fuck all y'all.
ReplyDeleteLike the bus, I noticed that when given the choice, niggers will most often sit at the back of the bus. Hm, I wonder why that is? Maybe it's because it's a genetic trait of theirs, to want to sit at the back of the bus?
ReplyDeleteSee! This is why we shouldn't have given in to Rosa Parks.
Blacks are naturally in the back! Now we've got Jew laws forcing us to sit in the back if a nigger's there first. Sometimes a white person doesn't always have their hunting knife and nap repellant on them. IT'S DISCRIMINATION!
I say that if niggers WANT to go to the back by virtue of their monkey genetics, we should force them to go to the back. It's in their genes, people! Did none of you read the latest Phrenology textbooks?
I swear, the education in this country just gets Jewier and Jewier... But I'm getting off topic. My point is, a lot of liberals want to point out the Jim Crow laws as wrong because niggers were put in bad positions.
Yet here we are, post-Jim Crow, and what do you see? Separate barbershops. Separate basketball arenas. Separate 'restaurants'. It's in nigger nature for them to form their own little cities and keep away from civilized society! I don't see why we conservatives should be chastised for trying to enforce the natural order.
^^^^^^Boring the first time.
ReplyDeleteYep, boring. See you guys at the streetcar extension groundbreaking.
ReplyDelete^^^^^^^Also boring.
ReplyDeleteThey can demand in one hand and shit in the other hand and see which one fills up first.
ReplyDelete